|
Goto page : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  |
| Author | Message |
|---|
Admin
Admin
Joined : 12 May 2007
Posts : 96
Localisation : Estonia
|  Subject: News  Tue May 15, 2007 11:04 pm | |
| 
Russia tells EU: Don't rewrite history
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia attacked the European Union on Tuesday for failing to stop what it said was an attempt by new EU member states to rewrite the history of World War Two and glorify Nazism.
Speaking before a summit between the EU and Russia on Friday, President Vladimir Putin's top adviser on EU affairs, Sergei Yastrzhembsky, told Reuters the bloc had been "hypocritical" not to condemn Estonia when it moved a Soviet-era war memorial away from the centre of its capital.
He said the row between Russia and Estonia over the bronze statue of a World War Two Red Army soldier indicated a wider problem.
"We believe there are increasing attempts by some members of the EU -- all of them are new entrants -- to railroad the EU and Europe as a whole in the direction of reviewing the political results of World War Two," he said in an interview.
"This is a very dangerous tendency, this is a challenge to ... the values of the EU that were formed on the basis of the results of World War Two," he added.
"What is being done in Estonia, in Latvia -- we talked about this in past summits -- these are attempts to make the Nazi past heroic ... and put up monuments to the Waffen SS and rewrite history, and attempts to put the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany on the same level."
Memories of World War Two and the Soviet communist domination of large swathes of Europe that followed it are still raw, both in Russia and eastern Europe. |
|
  | |
Julice
Guest
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 6:59 pm | |
| 27 million Russians died to stop Nazi... what did Estonians do? NOTHING!
You should be thankful that because of that price (27 million people) you are still living. I don't say you that you should depend from Russia, no, I agree that some Putin's movements are nonsense, but you could at least respect people who live with you together. |
|
| | |
Voodoo
Joined : 13 May 2007
Posts : 108
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 7:32 pm | |
| | What about occupation and 17% estonian nation they killed? You think it was charity event? No, it was world domination with communism event. |
|
| | |
Hypno
Intelligent member
Age : 18
Joined : 15 May 2007
Posts : 192
Localisation : Kuressaare, Estonia
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 9:33 pm | |
| | Julice wrote: | 27 million Russians died to stop Nazi... what did Estonians do? NOTHING!
You should be thankful that because of that price (27 million people) you are still living. I don't say you that you should depend from Russia, no, I agree that some Putin's movements are nonsense, but you could at least respect people who live with you together. |
27 million Russians died becouse Stalin didn't belive Hitler would attack SSSR that soon. Everything was unprepared and Hitler easilly killed a big part of the Red Army in a short ammount of time. And there were also estonians in the Red Army.
Besides, you, after stopped nazis you also stayed here, occupying us for about 50 years, ruining our economy and doing million other bad things (tho everything you did was not bad, I must admit). |
|
| | |
DerDieDas
Joined : 14 May 2007
Posts : 78
Localisation : BRD
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 9:57 pm | |
| Have someone of people who talk about "occupation" and other things ever thought how it wolud be if Nazis would rule their country?   |
|
| | |
Hypno
Intelligent member
Age : 18
Joined : 15 May 2007
Posts : 192
Localisation : Kuressaare, Estonia
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 10:38 pm | |
| | DerDieDas wrote: | | Have someone of people who talk about "occupation" and other things ever thought how it wolud be if Nazis would rule their country? |
You can't say for sure. Everything COULD have happened. Maybe USA would have nuked Hitler and we would have avoided either occupation. Maybe Hitlers secret experiments with mutants would have gone bad and the Earth would be ruled by mutant T. Rexes, aka Godzillas with IQ ~360.
 |
|
| | |
DerDieDas
Joined : 14 May 2007
Posts : 78
Localisation : BRD
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 10:50 pm | |
| | Quote: | | You can't say for sure. Everything COULD have happened. |
Not everything could happened. Just take a look at the NS-Ideologie. But of course it is more simply not to think about this kind of things.  |
|
| | |
LPF
Joined : 16 May 2007
Posts : 76
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 11:05 pm | |
| DerDieDas, who was Otto Tief  |
|
| | |
Voodoo
Joined : 13 May 2007
Posts : 108
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 11:09 pm | |
| | genocide-communists murthered more people than fasists, occupied over 20 countries and did every kind of other crap. |
|
| | |
DerDieDas
Joined : 14 May 2007
Posts : 78
Localisation : BRD
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 11:22 pm | |
| | Quote: | | genocide-communists murthered more people than fasists, occupied over 20 countries and did every kind of other crap. |
What is a "genocide-communist" ? 
And it is also not true, that communists killed more people than fashists. If you take a look at the WW2 you will agree with my argument. |
|
| | |
Voodoo
Joined : 13 May 2007
Posts : 108
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 11:30 pm | |
| | genocide=mass murthers |
|
| | |
DerDieDas
Joined : 14 May 2007
Posts : 78
Localisation : BRD
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 11:35 pm | |
| | Quote: | | genocide=mass murthers |
If you call stalinists mass murders, then it would be true. But Genocide isn´t "just" mass murdering, so it is false. 
Last edited by on Wed May 16, 2007 11:46 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| | |
Voodoo
Joined : 13 May 2007
Posts : 108
| | Subject: Re: News Wed May 16, 2007 11:45 pm | |
| well ok, they dint kill becouse nation and so on, they killed weahlthy and intelligent people to achive communistic world domination plan. Fascists at least killed others not them selves 
Ok ok, i dont approve any kind of murthering organisations and people. |
|
| | |
DerDieDas
Joined : 14 May 2007
Posts : 78
Localisation : BRD
| | Subject: Re: News Thu May 17, 2007 12:09 am | |
| | Quote: | | Fascists at least killed others not them selves Razz |
You have a really weird kind of humor.  
_________________
A serious face isn´t a sign of intelligence... the biggest stupidities of this world were committed exactly with this face expression. -Just smile more, honoured ladies and gentlemen. |
|
| | |
vJ
Age : 20
Joined : 17 May 2007
Posts : 88
Localisation : Finland // Estonia
| | Subject: Re: News Thu May 17, 2007 1:33 am | |
| | Julice wrote: | 27 million Russians died to stop Nazi... what did Estonians do? NOTHING!
You should be thankful that because of that price (27 million people) you are still living. I don't say you that you should depend from Russia, no, I agree that some Putin's movements are nonsense, but you could at least respect people who live with you together. |
27 million russians died becouse stalin was too busy likvidating his own generals, who could have saved millions of lives with better war tactics for example... stalin was also busy with sending occupated countries' people to cyberia and concentration camps, just like Hitler did.. (Hitler was smart enough not to kill own generals though..)
what could estonians do? there was like 1.3 millions of us, and stalin sent 17% of that to cyberia or to be killed... we had our people in CCCP army just like every other occupied country had people in it.. dont tell we did nothing.
we should be thankful for your mother russia (ex CCCP) for ruining our economy and everything we had achieved.. economy, society.. estonia was even ahead of finland.. and after cccp fucked itself up, we were decades behind... thanks to your mother russia.
and someone asked what could have happened if hitler beat russia and every other country... read book Fatherland by Robert Harris. I dont say it could have been better, but come on.. CCCP made nothing good for any occupied country.. only abusing, and now grief is left behind... |
|
| | |
|
