matrixx
Age : 29
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|  Subject: Re: Jürgen Ligi and proffesional army  Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:22 pm | |
| | Rzeczpospolita wrote: |
If Russia would retreat from Estonia, they would become a joke forever.  Forget it. Don't you see how they retreating from mountainous Chechnya? How long Soviets sat in mountainous Afghanistan? Cost doesn't matter, they will increase the price of oil and gas exports if necessary. And Estonia is flat.
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As I understand one of the main reasons for keeping Chechnya is oil. So I guess even with such losses it's profitable. Estonia really has nothing really valuable for russians - except some harbours and a little bit of brown-coal that nobody else wants to use. Besides, Estonia is more useful for Russia for propaganda purposes - you know, foreign enemy image and such (which itself is quite ridiculous to anybody except official russian media).
| Rzeczpospolita wrote: |
How I see this. The duty of Estonian people is to preserve the existence of the nation in the best possible shape. Estonian man are obligated to stand up against enemy if there is a chance for victory. For example Russia attacked and NATO counter attacked, or you have been invaded by Latvia  . If there is no reasonable chance for victory, they should abandon military opposition. To sacrifice life and future of your family without sense is poor business. Better wait for proper opportunity to get rid of occupant and cultivate national tradition in the meantime. |
Fair enough. Still - I'd never want to see another 1940. year scenario repeating itself. Losing your country without firing a shot - that's shameful. So I still stay by my opinion - first reaction should be to scramble to defend your country. If truly the situation is hopeless later and another death would mean nothing, then yes further resistance would be useless. |
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Hypno
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| | Subject: Re: Jürgen Ligi and proffesional army Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:33 pm | |
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volmer
Joined : 31 May 2007
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| | Subject: Re: Jürgen Ligi and proffesional army Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:20 pm | |
| | if you defend something that truly matters to you yo fight better than 10 people attacking something they don't care about. |
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Estonski
Joined : 26 Jul 2007
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| | Subject: Re: Jürgen Ligi and proffesional army Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:24 pm | |
| | Jürgen Ligi is a fucking asshole. |
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svybski
Joined : 31 Jul 2007
Posts : 59
| | Subject: russian war costs Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:22 pm | |
| | matrixx wrote: |
As I understand one of the main reasons for keeping Chechnya is oil. |
they estimate that they will have 10 kilo barrels of oil per day which means about 1 million dollars per day. (10 kilos is an average within 10 years, that s the all oil capacity... I just divided oil resources & 10 year estimate with the days)
costs are close to 20% and estimates are typically too good to be true... It is realistically to assume that they will have 5 kilo barrels per day and therefore about 400,000 dollars revenue per day ((50% is quite typical ultima recovery (URR) but it can be 55% and sometimes as high as 80% is possible depending on the oil field charasteristics))
how much it costs to have an army in chechnya per day?
mayby they have like 45,000 soldiers there. I googled that very wuickly somewhere, didnt check is the number a correct one (http://www.infoplease.com/spot/chechnyatime1.html)
for me, it looks like they can use that oil money to keep the soldies in the chechnya, but they dont benefit so much if they have to use a lot of missiles the costs will rise too much. and the withdrawal becomes better option...
I dont think that chechnya will be part of russia, at least after 10 years they dont even have any oil left.... why bother to be there if there is nothing to steal?? (compare to US occupation of iraq... and actually, also US occupation of austria in ww2, the same thing... there was oil in austria you know....) |
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