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Kiskun
Age : 21
Joined : 20 May 2007
Posts : 319
Localisation : Hungary, Kecskemét
|  Subject: Re: Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia.  Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:16 pm | |
| | NowhereMan wrote: | | Kiskun wrote: |
By the way are you also one of these minorities, aren't you? |
Yes, I am a komi-permian 
After conversing in this forum I have become very interested in finno-ugric history and culture... planning to visit Finland this summer |
Nice. I am already interested in this. I have just held a komi study-book in my hand. Do you still speak the language? |
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NowhereMan
Age : 25
Joined : 17 May 2007
Posts : 350
Localisation : Russia
| | Subject: Re: Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia. Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:11 pm | |
| | Kiskun wrote: |
Nice. I am already interested in this. I have just held a komi study-book in my hand. Do you still speak the language? |
People still speak this language, but it is mixed with a lot of russian influence. And young people tend to speak more russian. As for myself, I grew up in a russian speaking family and environment and my komi-permian is very poor  Besides, it is not an official language so I don't use it everyday in different situations... too bad... for us.
Anyway, I am working on it, and I know lots of people who really care, and do everything to not let the culture dissapear. |
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Kiskun
Age : 21
Joined : 20 May 2007
Posts : 319
Localisation : Hungary, Kecskemét
| | Subject: Re: Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia. Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:09 pm | |
| | NowhereMan wrote: | | Kiskun wrote: |
Nice. I am already interested in this. I have just held a komi study-book in my hand. Do you still speak the language? |
People still speak this language, but it is mixed with a lot of russian influence. And young people tend to speak more russian. As for myself, I grew up in a russian speaking family and environment and my komi-permian is very poor Besides, it is not an official language so I don't use it everyday in different situations... too bad... for us.
Anyway, I am working on it, and I know lots of people who really care, and do everything to not let the culture dissapear. |
I heard so that - since Hungarian and Komi are related languages - in Komi the infinitives of the verbs end with -ni just like in Hungarian.
For example:
Olvasni= to read
(Olvas= he/she is reading)
Does it work like that in Komi too? |
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NowhereMan
Age : 25
Joined : 17 May 2007
Posts : 350
Localisation : Russia
| | Subject: Re: Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia. Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:02 pm | |
| | Kiskun wrote: |
I heard so that - since Hungarian and Komi are related languages - in Komi the infinitives of the verbs end with -ni just like in Hungarian.
For example:
Olvasni= to read
(Olvas= he/she is reading)
Does it work like that in Komi too? |
Yes
Koterntni = to run
Viddini = to read
and so on:) |
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lemmik
Age : 26
Joined : 05 Jul 2007
Posts : 27
Localisation : estonia, tallinn
| | Subject: Re: Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia. Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:17 am | |
| Wikipedia sais - Official languages Russian, Komi
Is it wrong information there or is Komi the official language only on paper?
Vasily Pavlovich Rochev and Vasily Vasilyevich Rochev are the most well known Komi people in Estonia. And when is say 'most well known' - then I mean the only. But are they ethnic Komis or just living there? |
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svybski
Joined : 31 Jul 2007
Posts : 59
| | Subject: Re: Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia. Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:36 pm | |
| | lemmik wrote: | Wikipedia sais - Official languages Russian, Komi
Is it wrong information there or is Komi the official language only on paper?
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it is well known fact that finnougric languages and cultures are being suppressed in russia.
Komis, hang on there, dont give up on rascists! |
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svybski
Joined : 31 Jul 2007
Posts : 59
| | Subject: Re: Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia. Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:56 pm | |
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yes links... opinions and facts..
it says in http://www.suri.ee/inf/karelen.html that finns are not karelians and so on. That s totally BS!!
finns are made of karelian tribes which migrated from places of karelia and there was also this ancient kingdom and kingdoms near the karelian lakes. the language spoken there was closer to estonian than finnish one.
karelian tribes moved to savonia (south east finland) and people started to call that savonia and them savonians because savi means clay and swedish translation chenged the name a little bit. Those karelians who moved later on were called "archers" because they were hunters (with archs! duh .
hundreds years later, savonians moved to other parts of finland and to sweden & southern norway where finns were called "forest finns" because they knew how to make tar from the wood. some of the karelians moved to north (kainuu) and to the northern norway and norwegians called them kvens / and the country was called as kvenland. 1 norwegian saga says that norway was established by finnish king Norri where the country got her name. Norri's father was Kaleva, king of Karelia.
Kalevanpojat (sons of Kaleva king) were big warriors of karelia. isnt estonian national epic called kalevanpojat?
vikings settled in the russia, created first russian "state" according to russian history (or more like "sagas"). and they later withdrew. then the connection of the ancient finnougric connection to the west (to the estonia?) got broken because russian tribes (especially the novgorod) got larger.
karelians are finns and connection or missing link between estonians and finns. some of the karelian tribes might be closer to estonians, i dont know. But karelians lived very south, near estonian borders and there was small independent karelian nation (Kirjasalon tasavalta, consisting of only 3 villages, less than 1000 people) sometime 1918-1920 defended by finnish troops. peace treaty with finland and russia demanded that those people must retreat to finland, which was weird because that nation was not part of finland (!!). |
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lemmik
Age : 26
Joined : 05 Jul 2007
Posts : 27
Localisation : estonia, tallinn
| | Subject: Re: Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia. Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:47 pm | |
| | telkola wrote: |
it is well known fact that finnougric languages and cultures are being suppressed in russia. |
I know and not only finnougric but all small nations share the same destiny. They are like Tibetan people - forced to be a minority on their own land.
Komi and Komi-Permian are different nations (languages are similar but not the same), NowhereMan is a Komi-Permian. Is Komi a official language in Komi Republic or not? I know that komi-permian isn't. |
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NowhereMan
Age : 25
Joined : 17 May 2007
Posts : 350
Localisation : Russia
| | Subject: Re: Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia. Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:04 pm | |
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it is well known fact that finnougric languages and cultures are being suppressed in russia.
Komis, hang on there, dont give up on rascists! |
"Racists" is too strong word... or not?.. well, I have heard some people say things like "those komis are so stupid..." but in general people live quite peacefuly. It is the policy of federal goverment to suppress all regions... This country is the last colonial empire, as a matter of fact...
But we, we'll stand together! (c)  |
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Kiskun
Age : 21
Joined : 20 May 2007
Posts : 319
Localisation : Hungary, Kecskemét
| | Subject: Re: Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia. Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:27 pm | |
| | NowhereMan wrote: | | Quote: |
it is well known fact that finnougric languages and cultures are being suppressed in russia.
Komis, hang on there, dont give up on rascists! |
"Racists" is too strong word... or not?.. well, I have heard some people say things like "those komis are so stupid..." but in general people live quite peacefuly. It is the policy of federal goverment to suppress all regions... This country is the last colonial empire, as a matter of fact...
But we, we'll stand together! (c) |
Good old times, when Hungary gave money to build a culture-house in Latvia, for the Livonians, a minor Finno-Ugrian folk. Together with Estonian and Finnish help in 1938. |
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Helena
Age : 17
Joined : 17 May 2007
Posts : 139
Localisation : Eesti/Estonia, Tallinn
| | Subject: Re: Finno-Ugric peoples in Russia. Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:17 pm | |
| Maybe it's not that much racism but the fact that they influence Komis not to appreciate themselves. That's probably the best way to make a nation die out without using straight violence. Not that I had been in Russia myself.
As about the Livonian, I have heard there are about hundred of Livonian speakers left and most of them have learned it from university etc. No real Livonians any more. |
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